Why I think I'm becoming a feminist

sun_also_rises's picture

Damm those oscars are just soo patriarchal and make me so very mad.

And sadly I feel like I'm slowly turning into a hard core feminist blahh...its not that I don't want to be one its just that I've never been one to join/support causes..I'm the one who laughs at them.
And hard core feminists (or basically any activist) really annoy me

But onto the oscars: big 4
atonement
Juno
No country for old men
there will be blood

ummm winners for major categories : no country for old men and there will be blood -- amount of major/minor women roles in these two films: 0

I feel kind of guilty but I honestly have no desire to see these two films solely based on this fact. I know that sounds horrible right. Sometimes main stream media makes me so mad because it is so male dominated. Ever hear of a women winning an oscar for directing, its happened maybe twice, and perhaps five women have ever been nominated.

And you know who creates strong female roles usually -- MEN --- its so annoying, i can't even stand it.

Plus i was watching the show with five film guys, and no matter how "progressive" they think they are, I doubt they would ever really understand my rage at this. I should have been watching it with with my hippie friends smoking a joint and ranting hehe maybe next time.

And I'm so sick of the whole you should be the one to change it!! I'm in freaking film school and I'm perceptive enough to know how things work. I mean it makes sense men are usually more aggressive and bossy/obxnious so they are perfect to be directors but still.

There was a lot of LGBT or at least LG at the oscars, a short doc won on gay marriage which was great and the producer for old country thanked his partner which was very cute.

On another note --- good for Juno I'm glad it won for best original screenplay. I thought the dialogue did get a bit too over the top at some points but overall it was very well written

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jeff's picture

Hmm...

No Country and Blood are rather bleak, dour, anti-capitalist movies, so there's other ways to look at it.

Of course, for you two point out four major movies, skipping Michael Clayton, which also had strong female roles. So, three out of five BEST movies for the year had major female roles, the other two (and, honestly, the best two of the five, IMO), did not. To see that as a feminist is only possible by ignoring 60 percent of the category to make your own point. So, yeah, if you want to go around looking for injustice, you'll always find it.

If you base your viewing habits on this "injustice," you'll miss a lot of good movies. And if you're planning to go into the industry, then it seems like you're a masochist for joining the patriarchy, no?

Some years have been much better years for women, where those were the more-contested races, this was clearly a male-dominated year. Evident that most of the best actors were also in the best pictures, whereas the actresses were in all other movies, as opposed to a year where you have The Hours or something very strong and female-centric.

I don't call it a trend, just 2007.

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Ginger's picture

"dour, bleak, and

"dour, bleak, and anti-capitalist"
I wasnt aware that had anything to do with feminism.

even if the best actor award or best picture award isnt biased, catagories like best director really havent caught up with the times. two nominations, no awards given to women.

and as far as african american representation goes-- its gotten better, but still doesnt have a good track record.

which, as you pointed out, probably has little to do with (m)any percieved patriacial leanings of the academy: alot of the problems with best actor etc. stem from the writing. There just arent as many strong female roles written.

The shortcomings in catagories like Best Director seem a little more problematic, and I'm not well versed enough in film history to understand the likelyhood that female directors were overlooked, but in addition to the short supply of female directors, it seems like female directors arent credited with as much percieved control over their films as many of their male counterparts.

jeff's picture

Well...

Just pointing out that it's not like the two films in question aren't some amazing pro-patriarchy pro-male anything. Not sure I'd be fighting to be included in them, exactly. "Why couldn't a woman be a soulless, cold-blooded killer with an air compressor?"

And it also isn't Congress, it has no allusion to being representative. It is not a representative system, or a patriarchal system; it's a capitalistic system. If there was more money to be made from making movies about and including women, they would do it. There is no other barometer to green lighting a film beyond their ability to make their money back, as many times over if possible.

Same with black representation. Denzel puts butts in the seats? Then he gets to be in a movie. Spike Lee keeps making movies that aren't really doing as well, then his budgets don't get approved as easily.

Of course, the best picture is often the movie that is made by the more artistic people in the industry, and not necessarily the big blockbuster, which is why you get name behind-the-camera talent like the Coen Brothers, P.T. Anderson, etc.

The other side is... are you supporting female artists? If not, why even complain? Away From her - strong female character, written by a woman. June, same deal (easier check-off, since it's a blockbuster). Lars and the Real girl, written by a woman. The Savages: stars the amazing, and Oscar-nominated in this role Laura Linney (one of the few female actors that bring me into the theater), also written AND DIRECTED by a woman.

But, aside from small indie films, capitalism is always going to be the center of the universe. It's called show business, not show art.

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Lol-taire's picture

There was an article about

There was an article about this in the Sunday Times culture bit yesterday. I'll even find it for you, here it is:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/a...

Anyway, feminism is in everyone's interests. Especially straight men. It's just feminism means something a bit different than it did to our mothers (and fathers). And what feminism means to most feminists, is different to what people assume it means. But that's beside the point.

I find films like 'Enchanted' more insidiously harmful than 'No Country For Old Men'. And I find the assumptions about what women want to watch vs what men want to watch a bit unimaginative.

And there just aren't as many interesting and memorable female characters writen as there are male characters. Like the most memorable thing about wilted skeletor Keira Knightly in Atonement was that green dress. And when interesting woman are writen they tend to crop up in such small scale settings, such domestic subtle little films. Cinema is a great big medium. It's supersized. No-one really wants to watch the kitchen sink. Or if they do, those aren't the sort of films the Oscars are about.

sun_also_rises's picture

thanks for the article

thanks for the article Lol-taire! it was interesting.

Jeff,
But did you honestly think that atonement and juno ever really had a chance? Sure for screenplay but for best picture? There was no contest. Juno and Atonement, which really didn't have that strong of a female role --it was again all about the guy --- were just fillers. It was always about no country and there will be blood, it was never about the other two. In fact many critics dissed juno right before the oscars and atonement was very underrated. (that come off a lot angrier then i intended)

I wasn't looking for this injustice its kind of, or at least i think, is pretty evident without looking very hard. I just noticed it while watching the oscars. I think the thing that really set up off on this rant was the whole director's montage, that was all men, it just made me mad.

Its not like I won't go see a movie because the lead role is a guy, but these two just really struck me. Usually there's at least one minor role for a female but these two had virtually none. And I'm really not sure If i missed that much, you see one crazy guy, you see them all, i'm sure it was good, but I rather spend my time watching movies/tv shows that at least have one female character.

Yeah I am actually a bit of a masochist.
I really have no illusions, I know exactly what I'm getting into.
I just thank god for HBO :)

jeff's picture

Well...

I thought Juno had a chance only if No County and Blood split the dramatic vote and enabled it to sneak in (sort of how Nader pulled enough votes from Gore to get Bush elected). But, I found Juno and Atonement to be lesser movies than those two leaders.

Oscar typically goes more for an epic feel than feel-good. Atonement had a chance at epic, but I just think its structure plays better as a novel than a film. Sort of three different movies that just ties together at the end, albeit in a powerful way. (I also think it violates Ebert's rule that for a romantic movie, your couple can't be split apart for more than half of the movie). Although if Keira Knightley's role wasn't big enough for you, then prepare for a life of patriarchal disappointment at the cinema.

I can't say whether it's an anomaly or not that all the top directors were men. My guess would be it's pretty indicative of film school graduates, but I don't know the data (or care enough about this issue, heh). I often don't know the gender of the person that directs a film.

No Country is a blur for me, since I read the novel and immediately saw the movie the next day, but I know that in the novel, both the guy who finds the money's wife and the sheriff's wife are both supporting level, not sure if they got severely trimmed for the movie (since I began reading and finished the novel and saw the film in less than 72 hours).

I don't really pay attention to male/female ratio when I see a movie. That said, I'm just as likely to go to a heterosexual romantic comedy, which also has little personal interest to me. For me, it all comes down to story, and if it is well told, I'm happy. And I always prefer seeing artists strive and fail than hacks aim low and deliver, since I want to encourage Hollywood to take risks (so I vote with my dollars). Often, I will buy repeat tickets to smaller arty films and then go in the theater showing the blockbuster.

My uberpoint is that being an armchair feminist is both boring and useless. If there is ever a situation where you see the world and think it would be better a different way, then you're in for a life of misery, whether it is patriarchy, homophobia, or anything. Because that is where most people stop: things should be different. Yawn. Great, thanks for that.

The world won't change for you, so don't waste your life with observations that will barely move, if at all, before you die. Instead, empower yourself to be a small part of the change you want to see. Make the art you think is missing. That is something everyone can enjoy, and will inspire younger girls to find their voice through your art and on and on.

I think it was Gandhi (and I'm too lazy to Google) who said: "Be the change you want to see in the world."

To me that is the only option. I also would hate for you to become a successful female director. I would love for you to be a successful director, though. But I always hate labels.

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